Posted by: zhak39 | August 6, 2009

N.C. Representative Virginia Foxx

Here she goes again. In case you don’t believe your ears, the quote follows.

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“make sure we bring down the cost of health care for all Americans and that ensures affordable access for all Americans and is pro-life because it will not put seniors in a position of being put to death by their government.”


  1. Well, she’s just very inarticulately attempting in one sentence to hit the far right talking points, namely, anything other than paying premiums for health care that can be willy-nilly withheld by insurance companies is: (a) more expensive — by virtue of the fact it is different; and (b) potentially a vehicle to provide health care to all Americans, even those who wish to do with their bodies what the Republican party believes is something only the government has a right to decide.

    Which is an interesting take on the old, “keep government out” argument.

    She’s a paid spokesperson, nothing more. The people of North Carolina voted her in for that purpose, clearly. She is a poor speaker who is devoid of original thought, clearly. But she’s a vote for an ideology.

    And the ideology, when you boil it down, is simply, “We lost, we are against any idea or any person that this administration favors.” Please see Associate Supreme Court Justice Sotomayor, who had after 16 years on the appellate bench had not written a single ruling, nor participated in a single vote, that suggested she was bending the law to fit an ideology. Please see the daily talk radio shows that have to find something new and different on a daily basis to complain about to pander to their audience. And finally, of course, please see health care, which has discriminated wholly against people of both political persuasions, and denied them access when they were sick.

    My favorite current argument is this one: “I don’t want a government bureaucrat choosing my doctor for me.”

    My response? “Hey Buddy, I don’t want my HMO or PPO telling ME that either but, they already do that. They give me a list of doctors from which to choose and, none of them may be the doctor I want. So, in effect, someone’s already taken the job of telling me who my doctor will be.

    “So much for that argument.

    “But even so, I’ll take a government bureaucrat making that decision for me over a private industry bean counter who’s never been to medical school deciding whether I can have a particular procedure, or drug, or operation performed or provided by the doctor that was chosen for me.”

    I never get a real intelligent response to that.

    Instead, I get, “You’re a liberal wing nut” or “You’re a far left idiot” or “You’re a communist/marxist/anti-Christian.”

    Not sure that any of those names apply to me. But I surely know that none of those names respond to my comment, and that none of them say much in favor of maintaining the status quo when it comes to health care.

    • I think part of the problem is that in our generation our math teachers were never quite able to convince us that basic operations (addition and subtraction, proportion and percentage) can and should be applied to daily life. Having a right brained father was my saving grace. “What’s the bottom line,” he would say. “Do the math.”

      I read a rant yesterday from a woman who spent 20 minutes at a customer service desk behind an irate customer and befuddled clerk.

      “I bought this suitcase yesterday at 50% off and today it is on sale for 2-for-1. This is an expensive piece of luggage and I feel that I deserve the difference in price.”

      A couple of days ago I heard an interview on NPR. The woman interviewed put is succinctly.

      “It makes business sense to collect premiums on time and delay or deny claims as much as possible.”

      A fellow gardener here has a sign on his car that says “no healthcare reform.” He and his wife originally retired from New Jersey to Puerto Rico. One of the main reasons for returning to the continental United States is because of the ‘socialized medicine’ system they had in that commonwealth. They could not make appointments, they showed up at the local doctor’s office and took a number. If the doctor was not in they waited. If the doctor did not get to them they had to come back the next day and take a number. He said that in NJ they lived in a ‘first world’ country that they could not afford and in Puerto Rico they lived in a ‘third world’ country where they had severely curbed services including medical care and water delivery. He said that North Carolina is a good compromise between the ‘first’ and ‘third’ worlds.

      In defense of the voters in Foxx’s district, this is who she was facing for the nomination–

  2. For all the ribbing I have taken about moving to Iowa (especially when they say, “potato country” (no, that’s Idaho) or when they say, “Home of the Reds,” (Well, politically that might be so but, if you’re talking baseball, that’s Ohio)), I’ve never had anyone say that this state is a nice compromise between 1st world and 3d world countries.

    So, I’ve got that going for me.

    Frankly, I think western North Carolina and eastern Kentucky rival only the Hudson Valley, New York in terms of beauty, and I’ve been nearly everywhere in the US.

    But that doesn’t mean you don’t have some serious nut jobs there. . . .

    . . . . as reflected in the politicians and their competitors. I couldn’t tell from the grainy black and white but, is Mr. Robinson black? All I could tell for sure was, he had a serious lisp issue. But, he could attach two or three ideas together reading a TelePromptor. That’s more than I can say for the incumbent.

  3. You mean there is something in the United States between the east coast and California? I wasn’t aware of it.

    Actually the pictures of Iowa are very beautiful. Having moved to the flatness of the piedmont, edge of the flood plain, I have a great appreciation for the hills of Iowa.

    Yes, Vernon Robinson is African American. An aspect of that culture is growing up with the belief that to succeed in the majority culture, a minority person needs to work three times as hard, be three times more extreme. Robinson is a conservative Republican…times three.

  4. Rep. Foxx may have picked up the idea from Sarah Palin, or maybe it’s the other way around.

    Foxx, Palin, Gingrich, nuts from the same tree.

  5. Oh gracious, she’s using Trig as a human shield. And apparently someone has read Animal Farm.

    “The America I know and love is not one in which my parents or my baby with Down Syndrome will have to stand in front of Obama’s ‘death panel’ so his bureaucrats can decide, based on a subjective judgment of their ‘level of productivity in society’ whether they are worthy of health care,” Palin wrote.

    What a load.

  6. A little bit of “this” about “that,” “that” being what both ZhaK and Crabby have said.

    On the ABC News/George Stefanoplous Sunday morning political show (I call it the Tim Russert wanna be program), Newt Gingrich admitted that there is nothing in any current health care bill that sets up a government steering committee that makes life and death decisions. So, he debunked and gelded Mrs. Palin’s recitation of the current far right talking point — that a partisan committee would determine whether an old person was worth spending money on.

    Gingrich admitted there was nothing in the bill so, he sort of said, “Well, you know, it’s a bureaucracy so, we know it’s coming.”

    On the Democratic side was a doctor, former candidate, “I have a SCREAM” former Vermont Governor Dean. And he pointed out that, in his past practice, and in his wife’s current practice, no Medicaid procedure ever got denied, but numerous, innumerable procedures funded by private health insurance companies were routinely denied. So, he said, it’s already happening.

    I love it when I wake up in the morning, throw the TV on and experience a bipartisan conversation that completely supports what I’ve typed the night before. How often does that happen?


    So, ZhaK and Crabby, your responses were timely.

    Oh, and let’s not muddy the waters with Mrs. Palin and Speaker Gingrich. Let’s be clear: Representative Foxx is a complete and total nut job, a poor speaker, feeble minded and, evidently, the best her party has thus far been able to put up in her district. She’s probably well-funded too. Seems to me we’ve had a national experience with a well-funded inarticulate feeble minded person in the very recent past . . . .

    But hope springs eternal. It appears there’s another feeble-minded simpleton — this one with a speech impediment to boot — that has the potential to carry the torch forward should Representative Foxx become unseated, or unable to “assume the position,” as they say in various contexts.

  7. Hey Bill, glad to see that you still add a little pepper to your prose.

    It did occur to me that the fear among the Foxx-Gingrich-Palin crowd may be warranted. Perhaps through honest self-analysis they realized that if they personally had the power to delegate and deny healthcare the disabled and the elderly would be the first to go.

  8. Well, we know that being ill can be a marriage killer for Gingrich. Wasn’t his ill wife served with divorce papers while in her hospital bed?

  9. Wait.. it does get better.

    In perhaps the most amusing effort to discredit US President Barack Obama’s plan for nationalized health care – if not the most ridiculous – US financial newspaper Investor’s Business Daily has said that if Stephen Hawking were British, he would be dead.

    “The controlling of medical costs in countries such as Britain through rationing, and the health consequences thereof, are legendary,” read a recent editorial from the paper. “The stories of people dying on a waiting list or being denied altogether read like a horror script…

    “People such as scientist Stephen Hawking wouldn’t have a chance in the UK, where the National Health Service would say the life of this brilliant man, because of his physical handicaps, is essentially worthless.”

    The paper has since been notified that Hawking is both British and still among the living. And it has edited the editorial, acknowledging that the original version incorrectly represented the whereabouts of perhaps the world’s most famous scientific mind. But it has not acknowledged that its mention of Hawking misrepresented the NHS as well.

    “I wouldn’t be here today if it were not for the NHS,” Hawking told The Guardian. “I have received a large amount of high-quality treatment without which I would not have survived.”

    Now you can point and laugh.

  10. Hee hee. Hee hee hee. Hee hee ha ha (oh I can’t breathe). Thank you Crabby. I dearly needed a laugh today!

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